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Greek Cypriot politicians and officials frequently resort to the tactic of distorting facts in order to make more effective and to dramatize their unethical propaganda attempt. I will give three examples of such distortions.

  a.  In his letter to the UN Secretary-General of 7 June 2004, Tassos Papadopoulos claimed that there are "119,000 . . . illegally implanted Turkish settlers" in North Cyprus. Putting aside the discussion about the unacceptable nature of the choice of the word "settlers", Mr Papadopoulos argued later on in the same letter that the final version of the UN Plan would have allowed for the entirety of the "settlers" to remain in Cyprus. This amounts to a gross distortion of the facts in the Plan which limited to 45,000 those who could acquire Cypriot citizenship from each side other than those persons who held Cypriot citizenship on 31 December 1963, their descendants and the spouses of such descendants.

  b.  In his interview with the Dubai based Khaleej Times on 4 September 2004 Mr Papadopoulos openly claimed in response to a question that no Turkish Cypriots were killed between 1963 and 1974. The comment of Loucas G. Charalambous, a prominent Greek Cypriot journalist to this lie was "Does the President suffer memory loss?". In his opinion column in the Greek Cypriot English language daily Cyprus Mail of 12 September 2004, Mr Charalambous wrote:


"We should resist the temptation to laugh at this response by the President. I will just remind you that during this period (1963-19 74), there were bloody clashes in Mansoura-Tylliria, in Leka-Ambelikou, in Trypimeni, in Arsos, in Man, and in Kophinou-Ayios Theodoros.


In Kophinou alone, UNFICYP had counted 22 corpses of Turkish Cypriots by 10 am on 15 November (1967) as was reported by Brigadier Michael Harbottle in his book The Impartial Soldier I do not think there is anyone who would consider it wrong to describe the President's claim that no Turkish Cypriots were killed as a blatant lie."

  c.  Tassos Papadopoulos wrote to the UN Secretary-General on 7 June 2004 that he once more wanted to "emphatically reiterate" the commitment of the Greek Cypriot people, as well as himself, . . . . to the solution of a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation". He repeated this commitment in his statement to the General Debate of the 59th Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations on 23 September 2004. But in the same statement Mr Papadopoulos also repeated that the resolution of the land and property issues had to respect the right of return of refugees. Similarly, in his letter of 7 June 2004 to the UN Secretary-General, Mr Papadopoulos insisted that . . . the Plan includes a number of pre-conditions for reinstatement of properties, which limits substantially the exercise of the right of Greek Cypriots to reinstatement".

  Mr Papadopoulos's insistence on the right of return and the reinstatement of properties makes mockery out of the principle of bi-zonality, which is an established pillar for settlement in Cyprus, and which Mr Papadopoulos says he is committed to respect. Obviously, Mr Papadopoulos cannot support both bi-zonality and full respect of the right of return of refugees. If he really supports bi-zonality he has to put aside pretences and must start preparing his people to accept restrictions on the right to return in order to facilitate bi-zonality.

FULL INTERESTING ARTICLE HERE

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we24.htm



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48. Another area of concern for the Greek Cypriot side related to the rights of

displaced and dispossessed persons . a subject on which Mr. Papadopoulos did not

initially propose changes,

Full UN document here which you can find many Tpap Distortions

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:_pMLEkD9R_YJ:www.tcea.org.uk/Documents/Annans-report-28-may-2004.doc+tassos+papadopoulos+commented+that+the+1960+constitution+were+good&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=48&ie=UTF-8

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It is worth noting that during the talks, Mr. Papadopoulos claimed that there were

119,000 .settlers. in Cyprus. (This claim accorded with the Greek Cypriot position

in 2002 at the table, which was that there were 115,000 such persons in Cyprus, and

that the Greek Cypriot side could provide a list of their names and place of origin in

Turkey). If the Greek Cypriot figures are correct, then about half of the .settlers.

would not receive citizenship or residency and would, in accordance with federal

law, have to leave Cyprus

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:_pMLEkD9R_YJ:www.tcea.org.uk/Documents/Annans-report-28-may-2004.doc+tassos+papadopoulos+commented+that+the+1960+constitution+were+good&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=48&ie=UTF-8


Did Tpap not say when spilling his crocodile tears that all settlers would stay?????.....another distortion

My favourite part

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Mr. Papadopoulos, in a broadcast speech on 7 April 2004, called upon

the people to reject the plan with a .resounding No.. Among other things, the

speech challenged the wisdom of .doing away with our internationally recognized

state exactly at the very moment it strengthens its political weight, with its

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S/2004/437

accession to the European Union.. I was surprised at this assessment, in the light of

what Mr. Papadopoulos had said to me in Brussels in January. I was also surprised at

his interpretation of the plan, since the plan is designed to allow each side to

maintain its position on how the new state of affairs would come into being (see

S/2003/398, paras. 66-67).

66. Likewise, given what he had said to me in The Hague in March 2003, I was

concerned that the Greek Cypriot leader.s speech appeared to call into question

many fundamental aspects of the plan, even while acknowledging that the final

version contained improvements. I do not believe the speech accurately reflected the

contents of the plan on a range of issues. Nor do I accept the argument in the

speech, repeated thereafter, that when the plan was finalized, Turkey.s concerns

were satisfied and Greek Cypriot concerns largely ignored (on this, see paras. 44-62

above). It might have been possible to accommodate other Greek Cypriot concerns

had the Greek Cypriot side been more willing to engage in give and take at

Bürgenstock and before, and to prioritize its objectives.

A UN document stating that Tpap distorted the truth.

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:_pMLEkD9R_YJ:www.tcea.org.uk/Documents/Annans-report-28-may-2004.doc+tassos+papadopoulos+commented+that+the+1960+constitution+were+good&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=48&ie=UTF-8

Tpaps reason for rejecting the Annan plan, not what he has been saying to the gullible though but probably the nearest to the truth and what goes on in his head.

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Referring to the Cyprus problem, Papadopoulos said that the main reason the Greek Cypriots rejected the UN plan (the Annan plan) in the April referendum was because they could not bear the thought of seeing their state being dissolved.

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2597

There is a complexity of issues involved here. . To look at Tasos Papadopoulos's every move and comment with a super critical magnifying glass is somewhat suggesting that you are blaming him for not having a solution to the Cyprus problem?

These issues should have been addressed along time ago. Also you must consider the twists that the media puts on things.

Whatever was said, one cannot go past the facts of the significant numbers of missing persons (1600), the huge number of displaced GC's (200,000 from the North of Cyprus) and the emphasised 119,000 ILLEGAL Turkish settlers. . You can beat around the bush and look at every statement that Tpaps has made but the fact is that they should not have been shipped in and they certainly not stay . .They are there illegally. Simple as that - if Turkey wants to help themselves get in the EU then who do they not start by removing these 119,000 illegal settlors?? Its not fair on all Cypriots - GC and TC

vourka wrote:

There is a complexity of issues involved here. . To look at Tasos Papadopoulos's every move and comment with a super critical magnifying glass is somewhat suggesting that you are blaming him for not having a solution to the Cyprus problem?

These issues should have been addressed along time ago. Also you must consider the twists that the media puts on things.

Whatever was said, one cannot go past the facts of the significant numbers of missing persons (1600), the huge number of displaced GC's (200,000 from the North of Cyprus) and the emphasised 119,000 ILLEGAL Turkish settlers. . You can beat around the bush and look at every statement that Tpaps has made but the fact is that they should not have been shipped in and they certainly not stay . .They are there illegally. Simple as that - if Turkey wants to help themselves get in the EU then who do they not start by removing these 119,000 illegal settlors?? Its not fair on all Cypriots - GC and TC

I believe it has every relevance when it comes to a solution if the so called president of the ROC tells systematic lies and distorts the truth on many occasions as it leaves very little room for the TC to have any trust in him and coupled by the fact that he refused to go to the Helsinki meetings because Talat would be there and said if anyone should come it should be the TC foreign minister as part of the Turkish delegation just proves the point on how he does not accept the TC as the legitamate partners of cyprus and belittles them and also add to that he refused to meet Talat for over 2 years and only finally met him under pressure from the EO and UN at the Gambari meeting speaks leaps and bounds, Tpap is the problem but if you refuse to see it then whatever i try to show you will be in vain, you must remember that Tpap was part of the begining of the Cyprus problem all the way back in 1950's from the formation of EOKA (an internationally recognised terrorist organisation) and co-author of the Akritas plan to his statements that they refused the AN5 plan because they did not want to dissolve the republic (read between the lines and you understand that he meant share power with the TC).

As for the settlers, while i agree that many people have been bought over is wrong we must consider that a lot of them have been there for 30+ years now and are in effect part of cyprus and know no better about Turkey as much as a TC and sending them back would stink of a 21 century 'soft ethnic cleansing' like was done on the GC in 1974 and the TC through 1963 to 1974 hence two wrongs do not make a right and we should look into a way of accomodating them or offering financial incentives for them to leave willingly imo.