cyprus is for cypriots not turks, no country occupying another EU country can join the 12 gold stars? surely as a member of the EU, 24 other nations have no choice but to back the south, being as the north is not recognised by anyone except ankara. a two fold victory is the only outcome, support for the south, and no joining the EU for turkey.Its time for cyprus to be put on the world stage ahead of iraq, afghanistan, and all the other tinpot countries sucking up millions of euros, for what? even almighty uncle sam cant win but he does have an interest in northern cyprus, not so secret airforce bases, spy stations etc, uncle sam loves a jew in israel, but he also loves a muslim in turkey if it gives him a head start, cyprus is one of us now, its time we, as europeans looked after one of our own, and as an englishman would stand shoulder to shoulder with any cypriot to get back what is rightfully his or hers from a country that has very little respect in the u.k. as turkey has

What a load of rubbish you are ranting about.

The EU is actually fed up of cyprus and several EU leaders have openly expressed the opinion that Cyprus entry was a mistake, while you may not like the fact that Turkey is negotiating with the EU they are a very important player in the region and an ally they will not compromise on especiallt Cyprus.

Beyond that the TRNC is not only recognised by Turkey but also Azerbeycan and Bosnia but also the OIC of 51 muslim states as the Turkish Cypriot State.

As for the Englishman standing shoulder to shoulder at the moment that is only applicable to Turkey as stated yesterday by the british foreign minister that they support without question Turkeys EU amongst other obligations and the enhancement of ties, economy etc.

At the moment the current ROC leader Tpap has managed in the last 4 years to alienate 25 members of the EU and almost stands alone as Greece has even displayed its dissatisfaction with the Tpap policies.

You really need to do more learning and keep up to date with current events before you shoot your mouth of with mindless rhetoric.

wow what can i say well quite a lot, like learn to spell first, second, only muslim states recognise trnc! christian, jewish, catholic states dont, oops well thats that bit over, bosnia? a smashed to pieces country just ask serbia.
at least turkey has a more radical leadership now, if the army try to overthrow it as they have before, it will smash the countrys crap nice guy image, terrify europeans, like the french, and turkey can stay where it is, on my last 4 hour visit to turkey i was impressed by the quality of the beggars, the smell of them, superb, as for the british government blairs gone, browns in, troops have left basra palace ready to come home its time to leave iraqis to kill each other, europe has had enough of muslim countries, and cyprus certainly has and as europeans need to be restored as one country, palastine for the arabs or israelis? ring any bells or has that gone over your head too

jb008007 wrote:

wow what can i say well quite a lot, like learn to spell first, second, only muslim states recognise trnc! christian, jewish, catholic states dont, oops well thats that bit over, bosnia? a smashed to pieces country just ask serbia.
at least turkey has a more radical leadership now, if the army try to overthrow it as they have before, it will smash the countrys crap nice guy image, terrify europeans, like the french, and turkey can stay where it is, on my last 4 hour visit to turkey i was impressed by the quality of the beggars, the smell of them, superb, as for the british government blairs gone, browns in, troops have left basra palace ready to come home its time to leave iraqis to kill each other, europe has had enough of muslim countries, and cyprus certainly has and as europeans need to be restored as one country, palastine for the arabs or israelis? ring any bells or has that gone over your head too

Firstly it was Browns foreign minister that confirmed that they will continue their support of Turkey LAST WEEK, secondly typo's do happen and even if i could not spell WHO ARE YOU TO PULL ME UP ON IT but i guess when you have a inability to retort in a debate you go for a trivial and petty underhand dig confirming your lack of knowledge on the topic you started.

In 4 hours of visiting time to Turkey you made up that pathetic assesment, are you really that naive or just pretending to be?????? But i guess when your soul is full of hate and bias its easy to make demeaning bu**sh*t about others.

Well since you like to use Palestinian v's Israel as an example, let me tell you one, Cyprus for the TC and Turks or the GC??? Does that ring any bells or has that gone over your head too.

4 hours is just about all i could take of that place, it was full of ponces looking for a quick visa from some 60
something year old women from england, then off to the kebab houses avoiding immigration, typical really,
cyprus is a nice place till you get to see what turkish troops (thats the ones who havent run off, see above)
and government have done to thousands of years of history and culture in the north, selling land that isnt theirs, wrecking graveyards, human rights abuses, refusal of access to greek cypriot property, not to mention u.s. access,
selling stolen icons, destroying churches, try reading cyprus mail, thats the free press not censored press,
all you quote is rubbish, the uk has virtually no power in europe the germans and french hold power over
brussels and after last weeks events in germany where yes you guessed it a turk and two muslim converts were arrested with 300 kilos of explosives how long do you think its going to take for the germans to turn like the
french, you really should get out more, get some fresh air, walk in the grass, that sort of thing, because the day a
turk flag flies over brussels is a very long way off even with a pull out from northern cyprus, its just an easy way
for us to say "we dont want you here" you seem to have totally missed eastern europe havent you, they are a little
more right wing if you get my drift, and they get a vote too, they aint too keen on turkey, their not to keen on anyone really but they are european now, if they need advice i'm sure johnny french will point them in the right
direction.

jb008007 wrote:

4 hours is just about all i could take of that place, it was full of ponces looking for a quick visa from some 60
something year old women from england, then off to the kebab houses avoiding immigration, typical really,
cyprus is a nice place till you get to see what turkish troops (thats the ones who havent run off, see above)
and government have done to thousands of years of history and culture in the north, selling land that isnt theirs, wrecking graveyards, human rights abuses, refusal of access to greek cypriot property, not to mention u.s. access,
selling stolen icons, destroying churches, try reading cyprus mail, thats the free press not censored press,
all you quote is rubbish, the uk has virtually no power in europe the germans and french hold power over
brussels and after last weeks events in germany where yes you guessed it a turk and two muslim converts were arrested with 300 kilos of explosives how long do you think its going to take for the germans to turn like the
french, you really should get out more, get some fresh air, walk in the grass, that sort of thing, because the day a
turk flag flies over brussels is a very long way off even with a pull out from northern cyprus, its just an easy way
for us to say "we dont want you here" you seem to have totally missed eastern europe havent you, they are a little
more right wing if you get my drift, and they get a vote too, they aint too keen on turkey, their not to keen on anyone really but they are european now, if they need advice i'm sure johnny french will point them in the right
direction.

You accuse the Turks of destroying graveyards and the rest when you fail to mention the atrocities and genocide the Greek cypriots inflicted on the Turkish cypriots, did you know from 1963 -1974 your beloved EOKA and national guard destroyed over 130 mosques in cyprus, looted and burnt down thousands of Turkish cypriot homes and also before Turkey even turned up in cyprus you had come to MY village of Tochni and killed 96 unarmed men and boys in cold blood JUST for being Turkish cypriot hence for the TC when Turkey arrived they were our saviours from your murderous and looting policies, while you now feel hard done because of the current situation as they say what you sow is what you reap and that cannot be any truer in the case of cyprus.

Going back to Turkish EU aspirations, well i don't believe they will want to join when the time comes as the EU is an aging union whom in 20 years time will not have enough people to work and pay taxes for your pensions but i guess you know that as you like the fresh air and walks in the grass and when things get harder i can see the Eastern block doing its own thing but i guess time will tell..... ohhhh while on the topic the Germans really can't do much when they have a 5 million population of Turks living there and the French would sell their own mothers for money and Turkey is where its all going to be in the future hence why Greeks from Greece are now buying into partnership in Turkish banks, energy and many other sectors...... but i went for a walk in the fresh air and the grass and know this.


One more thing, can you give me your thoughts and opinions on this please as you believe you are so up to date on current issues.

http://justiceforcyprus.com/greek-cypriot-calls-for-two-state-solution-vt427.html

on the 13th of may 1919 a meeting between british prime minister lloyd george and us president woodrow wilson went like this
lg. "it is my intention to give cyprus to greece"
ww. "excellent idea"
lg. (referring to the turks) "they have no right in a country which they had converted to mere desert"
now in 1974 when turkey followed the attila plan, which was pre arranged and organised, they planned what is now known as ethnic cleansing (see balkan confict, west africa etc,) the plan was to remove the greek population in the turk occupied area, to alter the demogaphic status of cyprus by bringing turks from the mainland, thus ruining greek livelyhoods and create such faits accomplis as would influence the solution in favour of ankaras objective which is a de facto partition of the island under the guise of a loose federation which enables turkey for the present to exercise political and military control of the whole territory but would lay foundations for possible annexation of the entire island, if you really want to get all technical about the illegal occupation of cyprus, if the eu is so bad and bankrupt stop moaning about joining all the time, go party with the arabs, i dont think the kurds will play with you though,or israel to think of it either, and turkey can reinstall the death penalty which they scrapped to join eu, try that for size

jb008007 wrote:

on the 13th of may 1919 a meeting between british prime minister lloyd george and us president woodrow wilson went like this
lg. "it is my intention to give cyprus to greece"
ww. "excellent idea"
lg. (referring to the turks) "they have no right in a country which they had converted to mere desert"
now in 1974 when turkey followed the attila plan, which was pre arranged and organised, they planned what is now known as ethnic cleansing (see balkan confict, west africa etc,) the plan was to remove the greek population in the turk occupied area, to alter the demogaphic status of cyprus by bringing turks from the mainland, thus ruining greek livelyhoods and create such faits accomplis as would influence the solution in favour of ankaras objective which is a de facto partition of the island under the guise of a loose federation which enables turkey for the present to exercise political and military control of the whole territory but would lay foundations for possible annexation of the entire island, if you really want to get all technical about the illegal occupation of cyprus, if the eu is so bad and bankrupt stop moaning about joining all the time, go party with the arabs, i dont think the kurds will play with you though,or israel to think of it either, and turkey can reinstall the death penalty which they scrapped to join eu, try that for size

You really are clutching at straws, the ethnic cleansing you talk about was started by the Greek cypriots in 1963 against the Turkish cypriots hence the Akritas plan, it is universally acknowledged what Makarious the murderous priest (may he rot in hell) allowed to happen to the Turkish cypriots and to top that up you then forced us into ghetto's for 11 YEARS and when this was not enough in 1974 you came to finish the job you started and only Turkey had the courage to stop you, while im sure Turkey had 'other' agendas also this really is unimportant to us as it still saved our lives.

May i also add that in the 33 years that Turkey has been on the island there has been to more fighting so in short i can say they are a better peace keeping force than the UN, unfortunately the Papadopoulous policies are leading us to partition which is not ideal but he was around when the problems started and is also the author of the akritas plan it somehow seems fitting i guess that he will be the one that finally makes the partition permanent.

Also the kurds will soon enough stop all problems as the Turks start to rectify the mistakes made towards the kurds and North irak will become there most friendly country, i know in Southern cyprus backed by your terrorist turned leader Papadopoulous there are terrorist training camps but even those will soon enough be shut down when you struggle to find some kurds to join.

I noticed you do not want to comment on the link above, thats a shame as its worthy of discussion.

you class murdering kurds as a "mistake", thats like adolf hitler saying "well it was only a few jews" turkey is a millitary based and backed country, without a democratic bone in its body, i'm not the one here clutching at straws, turkey illegally invaded cyprus, claims parts of northern iraq as its own. i do like the turkish banknotes though did attaturk pose for george orwell's 1984, talk about funny money! and rauf denktash looks like al capone, i notice you havent touched the u.s. presence in the north, you know, rendition flights from kabul and baghdad, landing to torture your muslim brothers, the west has no say in what happens in the north as they dont recognise it, covenient dont you think for george dubya and his cronies, perhaps if turkish cypriots put up a bit more of a fight than running away and crying to big bad turkey things might have turned out better for you, after all you could have got backing look at the viet cong, ira, uda, contra's, even insurgents in iraq are giving uncle sam a run for his money, and america armed the taliban against the russians now yankees are being killed by their own bullets, how ironic, its called pride, better a dead hero than a living coward

jb008007 wrote:

you class murdering kurds as a "mistake", thats like adolf hitler saying "well it was only a few jews" turkey is a millitary based and backed country, without a democratic bone in its body, i'm not the one here clutching at straws, turkey illegally invaded cyprus, claims parts of northern iraq as its own. i do like the turkish banknotes though did attaturk pose for george orwell's 1984, talk about funny money! and rauf denktash looks like al capone, i notice you havent touched the u.s. presence in the north, you know, rendition flights from kabul and baghdad, landing to torture your muslim brothers, the west has no say in what happens in the north as they dont recognise it, covenient dont you think for george dubya and his cronies, perhaps if turkish cypriots put up a bit more of a fight than running away and crying to big bad turkey things might have turned out better for you, after all you could have got backing look at the viet cong, ira, uda, contra's, even insurgents in iraq are giving uncle sam a run for his money, and america armed the taliban against the russians now yankees are being killed by their own bullets, how ironic, its called pride, better a dead hero than a living coward

Firstly the Turkish army kills terrorists that is the PKK and acknowledged as such by the EU, UN and the US so there you got it sorely wrong.

Next is Turkeys intervention in Cyprus which WAS completely LEGAL as per the 1960 constitution and acknowledged by the UN as she is a guarantor country as is the UK and Greece.

World reaction to Turkish intervention

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/reaction.htm

The US fight in North Irak..... well read this;

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=83403

Paints a different picture does it not and Turkish democracy is growing and recognised by the EU and US, lets put it this way the Northern Iraki Kurds will become super allies of Turkey soon enough....watch this space, but to prove the point check this out.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=83460

Seems like the new president is loved by the kurdish people and they gave his party more votes than their own pro kurdish party DTP, yet again paints a different picture.

Now lets come to your...... dare i say it.......but completely stupid remark that the 'TC should have fought rather than cry to Turkey' comment, we was not looking to ethnicly cleanse anyone unlike the GC was back then, we never secretly bought over 20,000 Greek troops armed to the teeth as acknowldeged by the UN http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/invasion.htm and we never had masses of weapons to arm the police and young murderous thugs like you did, the TC were unarmed people and you feel that you are brave for killing unarmed men, women and children and we are cowards because we had no weapons to defend ourselves against trained millatary personnel from Greece and the National guard???? You are truely disturbed individual but you make me appreciate more and more as i speak to you that Turkey gave you exactly what you deserved.


Here are some pictures of the women and children that your glorious EOKA killed and who couldn't fight back, does it make you proud.

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/photo1.htm


http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/photo2.htm Look at the TC houses you burnt and looted in the 60's


http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/photo3.htm Notice the murderous priest shooting and killing TC, what sort of man of GOD was he then, maybe Satan..HUH

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/photo4.htm These are the GHETTO'S YOU FORCED US TO LIVE IN FOR 11 YEARS surrounded by your police, national guard and of course EOKA.

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/leaflet.jpg Here we have the leaflets dropped by the Turkish armed forces pleading with the GC to stand up to there leaders so there would not be a war, did any of you listen???

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/presslarge.jpg Article in the foreign press in 1974 on how a turkish corporal saved a GC child, unlike EOKA that had no humanity.

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/photo6.htm And here you have the mass graves of TC that were murdered in the villages of Murataga, Sandallar, Atlilar and Taskent, makes you proud does it that this was done in your name.(all photo's by foreign press)


Does all this not show you how you have been sold a biased and completely wrong picture of the Cyprus situation and how it came to where it is, do you not feel shame for what has been done to the TC, should you not be a little more decent in what you say, think and teach your children, i leave you to ponder and look forward to your response.