Erm, Maria there wa sno such thing as a Greek Cypriot in1571 as there is today. There may have been Greek speaking Cypriots who were under the domination of the Venetians, and the Lusignans before them and The Knights Templar before them and Richard the Lion heart before them, and he arrived in 1191.

When the Ottoman Turks came they were welcomed by the Greek speaking peasants. Why? Because the Ottoman Turks abolished serfdom in Cyprus and so for the first time it became possible for a Greek speaking Peasant to OWN the land he worked on.

They were also welcomed as saviours of the Cypriot Orthodox Church since for the previous 400 years the Greek speaking peasants were subject to the Roman Catholic Church and could not pray the way they wanted to, until the Ottoman Turks replaced the Roman Catholic Church with the Orthodox Church.

The Idea of a " Greek" nation, in modern day terms, arose in about 1870 something when "Greece" became Independent. I would like to ask you Maria a question. Which country INVADED Turkey in 1920 ?

rousias wrote:

SP,

A rational post as such is appreciated

It is not just our Greekness we are expressing here, it is our Cypriotism! I understand the points you make. I understand that Turkish Cypriots did suffer from 1957 and I certainly understand that many more Greek Cypriots also suffered from that time and since and are still suffering. All Cypriots suffered and this is something very bad that people lived through and continue to live through.

I am concerned at your comments toward me as young and 'influenced' and living abroad. I am 100% Cypriot. I understand, live and breathe the culture and the Cypriot way everyday! My family and friends have lived for many many generations in Cyprus. They have died and survived throughout all the Events from 1957 (and long before then) that you are referring to.

We have not been brainwashed by our "parents and grandfathers", I understand the context of the whole Cyprob. I reiterate that Turkish Cypriots are not the problem: Turkey is.

You talk about bringing up future generations NOT TO HATE, I understand what you are saying but these many issues of Turkeys actions have had horrific consequences and are majorly involved in the problem. Have you heard of Den Xechno? You are somewhat suggesting to forget about the many horrific consequences and the continuel problems of illegal occupation and no solution. . .

I agree that we must look forward with a positive and pragmatic attitude but the factors of that past (for both sides) need to be put in perspective in working toward a new and viable solution.

You are right! Changing the Den Xechno (what you refer to as HATE) attitude will take generations. I hence to do see this as an option as this is too long and Turkey will have illegally colonised by then and a viable solution will not be possible.

The pro Turks keep referring to 'Both Sides' - for the Cypriots there is only one side - CYPRUS . . This includes Greek and Turkish Cypriots - IT DOES NOT INCLUDE TURKEY. Also it doesnt include Greece but YET Turkey maintains ILLEGAL control of 37.5% of the island FOR OVER 32 YEARS. . Do you not see this as a major problem???

...This goes back to what you/brother/xenos ignorantly refer to as "SCHOOL YARD SLOGANS" but they are actually well justified points. . I Reiterate . . ALL TURKISH TROOPS AND ILLEGAL TURKISH AND OTHER SETTLORS OUT OF CYPRUS . . Cyprus is FOR THE Greek Cypriots and the Genuine Turkish Cypriots

Rousias

I understand your sentiment, Rousias, but there is a twist in the logic somewhere. When I can find a logical way of explaining it properly then I will give it a go.

Question, ? Why are there so many Greek flags flying in the South??

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turkish Cypriots rights ? what about the Greek Cypriots rights we have a right to our property back dont tell us to forget our property.

And also the killing for us did not start in 1974 it started in 1571 when you turks invaded Cyprus killing 20,00 in nicosia under the ottoman empire greek Cypriots where executed you been killing greeks for the past 400 years then you did it again a other genocide in 1974.

Maria, you make some good points - how can they turn a blind eye to this . . Turkey has always been an aggressive threat to Cyprus

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I understand your sentiment, Rousias, but there is a twist in the logic somewhere. When I can find a logical way of explaining it properly then I will give it a go.

Question, ? Why are there so many Greek flags flying in the South??

SP, i believe it is something that has always been represented along side with the Cyprus flag . . Some Cypriots may still feel that Cyprus should be joined with Greece but I think the vast majority do not want that

rousias wrote:

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turkish Cypriots rights ? what about the Greek Cypriots rights we have a right to our property back dont tell us to forget our property.

And also the killing for us did not start in 1974 it started in 1571 when you turks invaded Cyprus killing 20,00 in nicosia under the ottoman empire greek Cypriots where executed you been killing greeks for the past 400 years then you did it again a other genocide in 1974.

Maria, you make some good points - how can they turn a blind eye to this . . Turkey has always been an aggressive threat to Cyprus

There is not one single good point there but another cheap shot at Turks which is unfounded, please read the post of SP above to understand how it really was.

How old are you maria???

maria wrote . .

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And also the killing for us did not start in 1974 it started in 1571 when you turks invaded Cyprus killing 20,00 in nicosia under the ottoman empire greek Cypriots where executed you been killing greeks for the past 400 years then you did it again a other genocide in 1974.

Brother, is this not true??

Rousias

rousias wrote:

maria wrote . .

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And also the killing for us did not start in 1974 it started in 1571 when you turks invaded Cyprus killing 20,00 in nicosia under the ottoman empire greek Cypriots where executed you been killing greeks for the past 400 years then you did it again a other genocide in 1974.

Brother, is this not true??

Rousias

No it is not.

The cypriot people welcomed the Ottoman armies and gave them food etc. and fought the venetians not the cypriot community, where do you get your facts from...The racist book of bullshit history for Greeks.

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No it is not.

The cypriot people welcomed the Ottoman armies and gave them food etc. and fought the venetians not the cypriot community, where do you get your facts from...The racist book of bullshit history for Greeks.

ha sorry but excuse me brother but please refer to my post . .i am merely quoting maria and asking you for your perspective

rousias wrote:

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No it is not.

The cypriot people welcomed the Ottoman armies and gave them food etc. and fought the venetians not the cypriot community, where do you get your facts from...The racist book of bullshit history for Greeks.

ha sorry but excuse me brother but please refer to my post . .i am merely quoting maria and asking you for your perspective

Sorry i thought you was in agreement with her.

SP

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Erm, Maria there wa sno such thing as a Greek Cypriot in1571 as there is today. There may have been Greek speaking Cypriots who were under the domination of the Venetians, and the Lusignans before them and The Knights Templar before them and Richard the Lion heart before them, and he arrived in 1191

read history SP Cyprus has been a ancient Greek island since 1050BC http://www.cyprusexplorer.com/history.htm